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What is a garden you have to do
with your life? I found out.

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Okay, we take (inaudible)
and then we plant it.

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To take care of that being, I mean, to actually
to put it in as deep as it needs to go

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requires attention. To take the limestone
that we take to put into the bits

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to make sure that it grows requires attention
also, okay. And then what they do is

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they relate this or use
some type of analogy

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uh… that\'ll make you think, \'Hey, if
I can take care of this probably,

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you know, what (inaudible)
take care of myself.\'

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I really like the wintertime here at the desk
because all the perennials are looking dead

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and then the people that are here in the wintertime
were able to see them magically come back to life,

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but in order for that to happen there
are things preparatory to… to spring

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that we must do, we must clear the
weeds from around the perennials.

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We have to feed them with manure
and compost that we\'ve made.

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I love the compost pile

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because in our method of gardening we take
every troubled spot, every yellow leaf,

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everything that is… is considered waste
and we turn it back into rich soil.

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We have a saying out here that, \'A mistake is
only a mistake if you don\'t learn from it,

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but as long as you learn from the
mistake and… and turn it into a lesson,

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it can actually be
beneficial to your growth.\'

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[sil.]

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The horticulture program began in 1982.

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I was diagnosed as having a
very serious kidney disease

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and while I was in the
hospital a good friend of mine

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gave me The Grapes of Wrath to read.
It really struck me, it struck me that

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the people that I tried to reach in
the smoke-filled cells in the jail

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as a counselor for previous years that
they were a lot like these poor people

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in this Grapes of Wrath and they were independent, they
were strong. The women that… that mostly that I worked with

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as… as a counselor mostly women
were in for prostitution.

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You know how hard it is to stand on a corner and at night freezing
your ass off on… with, you know no clothes on practically.

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I mean, they are strong women
but on the wrong track.

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And I said, you know, I
want to take the people

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out to this empty farm and we could clean
it up that maybe we could grow things.

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I remember thinking they won\'t
respond good because in America

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working in the soil, working
in, you know, outside

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is not a prestigious thing. Everyone wants to be
a lawyer, everyone wants to have a briefcase.

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And so I remember thinking that maybe it\'s
not possible to bring these people out here.

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But The Grapes of Wrath made you see that
that was different, that it wasn\'t so.

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And I memorize I used to standing in front of
his 25-year-old (inaudible) rose bramble bush

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and saying one day to these guys, \'You
know, if we could move that rosebush,

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we could put beds there and they said, \'Is that what you what
Cathy Sneed, like, yeah, but you know we don\'t have tools,

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we can\'t do it. I\'d say it\'s impossible to wall.
They said, \'Oh, no they\'ve got their shirts

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like so (inaudible) I… I remember this one,
big giant white guy tattoos everywhere

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and then he was pulling them with his
hands and his hands were bleeding.

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Each morning, we start as a group.

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We come together as a group.
We focus on… on botany

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to an extent, I mean, but just imagine
this, you know, imagine, explaining,

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a sexual propagation to somebody who
has 65 arrests for prostitution.

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But this person is listening because
they hear the enthusiasm in your voice

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and they see that this might
be a way out of this mess.

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[non-English narration]

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I\'m wondering if you\'ve been talking to the President. I
see (inaudible) plans to planting a million trees a year.

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Its actually million tress. Million?
They hate it\'s the funny thing

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is… is that unless
something like that happen

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the planet (inaudible) but
see it\'s not just trees

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(inaudible) plant you guys. It\'s my field
and my field as we gonna integrate that.

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We gotta say, \'We gonna plant a
billion trees less pay a tree for

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who care for them and pay
them to make them life,

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let\'s do that. Let\'s work change our
community and this plant let\'s do that

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(inaudible) like that.

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[sil.]

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After that then we… we come out
and we work in… in the garden,

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but I choose not to say field.

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[sil.]

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We have people planting tons of seeds

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in the greenhouse. We do hundreds of
speed link trace in the springtime

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so that there are millions of seeds
sprouting. There\'s new growth everywhere.

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It\'s a… it\'s a time of really inspiration

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in terms of the belief that
what I plant is gonna grow.

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[sil.]

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When I got here I plant the pumpkins out there
and I didn\'t think none of them would come off.

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Now in October I was proud to see all those
pumpkins come up and I planted it out.

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Uh… There and I felt good. I got to give
pumpkins away to people, you know, the visitors

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that came out here, and
I grew those pumpkins.

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[sil.]

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Its kinda respect…

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its kinda respect between the plant
and you because if you do wrong

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the plants gonna die. If you do
the right, the plants gonna live.

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Umm… we can relate those things
with the people right here.

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If you\'re not respect the people right
here, this is not gonna work at all.

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I\'m a Latino man from my heart

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and I don\'t feel less than nobody
even I don\'t feel more than nobody,

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I feel exactly. Everybody has the
same capacity for everything.

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God gave us intelligence, two hands,
two eyes, doesn\'t matter the color,

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it doesn\'t matter. You are a human being.
What many people right here (inaudible)

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the race\'s problem is really big in you,

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truly a strong, but being here

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working agricultural, being here
working in the greenhouse is something

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someway is gonna help
people umm… to (inaudible)

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coming to know your people you gotta work with
some people that you\'ve never seen before,

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that you don\'t know how they think,
that you don\'t know how they feel.

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We grow a variety of species together,

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different varieties of plants,
different families of plants

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that can help each other in the garden,
that can deter diseases from the plants,

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that benefit each other\'s growth. We\'re
growing flowers, we\'re growing herbs

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and we\'re growing vegetables together. When
you go in the woods, you very rarely see

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plants that are diseased because of the
varieties that are grown around them.

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We use this technique
because in our own lives

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we will sometimes plant
ourselves next to people

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that are not good for us.

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Weeding is something that we do

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to give plants room to grow because
the weeds they… they… they tend

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to show plants in a way, they latch
onto them, they choke them (inaudible)

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and they take from sort of like a leech.
And we applied that

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to our lives as though drugs
and alcohol are like a weed

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and some are allies that
we have to weed out.

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We have to cut out the roots and
take out in… in order to grow

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as a healthy human being and
be productive in the society.

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[sil.]

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I am in-charge to the greenhouse. What I do
(inaudible) that is we water the plants,

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cross planting, keep this place clean

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umm… but especially what
I do is feed myself,

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my own self with some kinda, I don\'t know
how to describe that, some (inaudible)

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when I came over here (inaudible) plant.
I didn\'t know.

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I never knew that I had this kind
of feelings inside me, now I do.

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[music]

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Yeah, I like flowers. Flower is my thing.
So I take care of

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my beautiful yard behind me.

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[music]

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I come out here and talk to my flowers, you know,
tell them I love them, you know, (inaudible) I mean,

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and when I see the day once I pick them, so
the other ones can have a chance to grow.

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[music]

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It told me inside

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that is (inaudible) as women out
here they work with you too.

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I say, \'Well, you know, (inaudible) get to see,
when we get to be outside and get to talk.

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And I came out here really for socializing with
women at first. (inaudible) right focusing

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make any difference in our life, that\'s what we\'re
doing. We don\'t come out here to visit with women.

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We come out here to visit with our
souls, that\'s what (inaudible).

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[sil.]

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I\'m sure there are people

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who came up to me and would be disrespectful
or say things and I just turn around say,

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\'You know, talk to him, please don\'t talk to me like that.
I\'m not the person who likes to be talks to like that

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and everybody, you know,
treats me with respect.

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And if they don\'t, I don\'t talk to them, you know,
because there\'s always gonna be people in the crowd

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that don\'t know how to treat other people.
It\'s always gonna be that

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after all we are in jail and people
don\'t know how to act sometimes.

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Basically, women if you really put your mind, they get you in more trouble
and catch you right up quicker than just you and a fellow as being out here,

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you know, because you can\'t be biome.
They can\'t be by you

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and if you get caught or they get caught touching your
shoulders (inaudible) automatic roller maybe 30 days.

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In terms of… of sexism,

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a lot of the guys are learning
new things about women

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because in living in the… in the
street and living they\'ve done

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growing up in America, they have
a really crazy sense of women,

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but working with me and Arlene and the other woman
here they\'re learning and seeing something different.

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And I think that\'s true for racism
and for homophobia as well.

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[sil.]

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When you plant a plant and then you
see its sprout up the next day

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and then as much going then you\'ll be able to
eat the fruit that it has bared off this plant

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is like, you plant (inaudible) suddenly
you see it grow up, I… I guess

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self gratitude out of it. (inaudible) don\'t nobody had
to tell me thank you because I know what I have done

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and I know it\'s been positive
and it took a lot of me

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to turn that bad into… into plant
the seed and to watch it grow.

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[sil.]

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The food that we grow it goes everywhere

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to (inaudible) Hannah\'s point, to soup
kitchens all around San Francisco

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because we figure we take a lot out
of… a lot out of our community

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and this is a way of giving back to our
community by growing produce (inaudible)

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and we take pride in what we do
here, so we… we grow the best

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and we give the best food to the people.

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Every time we\'re picking something when we
put in a crate we know where it\'s going

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and we know it\'s gonna help somebody and it
gives you motivation to want to come out here

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and do that, you know, I think it\'s just going to our kitchen
where we eat, I don\'t think it would be quite the same,

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you know, it\'s a little bit more special.

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[music]

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There\'s no jail

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that has as uh… basic goal

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gardening as therapy. So this
is a model, I want other jails

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to look at what we\'re doing and say we could do
that too. Why are we keeping people in cages

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and doing horrible things to them and
expecting them to leave those horrible cages

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and come back be normal and nice people living
with everyone, that\'s not gonna happen,

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but most jails have a lot of land like
this one does. Umm… And most places

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in this country have poor people, we could
grow food for them, we could grow trees.

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[sil.]

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You come in here and you start doing something. A lot of
people who come in here and haven\'t had jobs, steady jobs,

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you know, they\'re the (inaudible)
umm… and they come here,

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you gotta get up at six in the morning, you gotta get
dressed, you gotta get ready and for them that\'s unheard of,

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I mean, I\'ve heard people saying, \'It\'s the
earliest I\'ve ever been up in my life, \' you know,

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and it\'s a ritual every day what you gotta do. Umm…
And then pretty soon you start seeing these people

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that aren\'t used to it, wanting
to go out on weekends too.

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The people that want to leave, I
try to talk to them and I say,

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you know, (inaudible) \'Well, why do you want to leave? And
they say, \'Well, they just were brainwashing you, you know.

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All I want you to do is work with them.
They want you to… to farm

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or to (inaudible) the land and to… to… to weed
these plants and stuff like that, you know.

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And I said they don\'t want you to work with
them, they want you to work for yourself.

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A lot of people who thought about leaving then I talk to
and I said, \'Well, just give it a couple of more days.\'

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They give a couple of more days whereas when it
first came out they will be stepping in to bed now

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and I\'ve been on here a month. They would
tell you or deputy on that (inaudible)

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not stepping out (inaudible).

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We need jobs, we need money
to keep this program going.

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We need a shelter when the people live here.
They could all (inaudible) have a place to go,

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instead of going, when they drop you
off a (inaudible) walk-up (inaudible)

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and there\'s a little house
and (inaudible) house

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maybe if they could go to and (inaudible) something on the
outside like a little we\'ve to start a horticulture project

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which I think they got ongoing. Planting
trees outside to keep this going.

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I\'m very pleased with the
program at the jail.

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But it seemed to me inconsistent

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to… to only have a program
like that at the jail.

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We invite people that have been in
the program at the jail in San Bruno

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to come here after they get out of the
jail, if they want to be serious,

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if they are not using drugs or alcohol,

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if they\'d like to work with
us to come to talk to us.

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The garden is in Bayview–Hunters
Point in San Francisco.

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It\'s about two miles from Candlestick Park
and a lot of the people that are in our jail

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are from this neighborhood. This where we\'re
sitting now used to be a garbage dump.

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It was a (inaudible) lot, this was filled with garbage.
Then, it was less than a year ago and we\'ve done is

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we\'ve made it into a functioning
usable place that is beautiful

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and brings together the fact that

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this… the environment in
which people come together

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to make a big change.
And we\'re selling food

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to… to different restaurants
and also this is

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just desserts main bakery and we
sell… we sell strawberries to them.

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It used to upset me so bad

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to see the people return.

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What upset me not so much was the fact that they
return because I know what\'s out there for them.

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What upset me was how happy
they were to be back.

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They would say, \'Cathy hi… hi!
I\'m back and I\'m gonna grow

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and we\'re gonna do this and I can\'t wait to get
(inaudible) go outside.\' And I was horrified.

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Each and every (inaudible) was horrified

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because they were still saying the truth, that
this was the best thing that had happened to them

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and they had worked to
get back here, to it.

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Then, the bell rings. That\'s back to life, you know,
back to… we\'re back in San Bruno County Jail.

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And it\'s back off into the dorms
we go, but… but before we go,

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Cathy always tells us not to
forget that… that we are people

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and… and just because we did
some bad to make a bad people.

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And I\'ll… I\'ll always love her in
(inaudible) for that (inaudible).

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What this program does?

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What I\'ve seen it do is I\'ve seen it make

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people who have no hope, have hope,

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which is a tremendously
powerful thing, you know.

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And it\'s uh… I don\'t think it\'s because

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umm… because of me or
because of the staff here

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I do think that it is what
they\'re doing, you know,

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they\'re… they\'re umm… because of
their work they\'re giving themselves

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to people who don\'t have anything, you
know, food for people, but also trees

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to streets where there aren\'t trees and
flowers where there are no flowers, you know,

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which is as important as… as getting
vegetables or food to people

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who have no food, and it\'s
not me, it\'s not my staff,

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it\'s working with these green
things gives them a sense of life

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and most of them never had
it from anywhere else.

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I like to go work on a farm for somebody

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and… and like I want to be dedicated to the farm
like I am here. And I want to work this as hard

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and I don\'t want to stay clean.
I was… I was like a dead tree

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when I first came here and I see when watering,
you could water the tree and feed it nice,

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it grows up and it will have (inaudible).
I don\'t want to go back to the streets

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and just hanging around waste and die.

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