Tens of thousands of women have been raped during 20 years of war in eastern…
State of Mind
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In war torn countries people will not be able to be productive and development will fail until they overcome their trauma. Yet, Is it even possible for a country overwhelmed by the legacy of five million deaths to successfully heal and move on?
That is the underlying question in Congolese documentary filmmaker Djo Munga's powerful film STATE OF MIND, about the use of psychotherapy to talk about loss, forgiving, and finding new memories to overlay the traumatic older ones.
Pioneering therapist Albert Pesso is invited to Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo, where many people suffer from years of post traumatic stress disorder. Pesso is there to train health practitioners in symbolic interaction, a form of relatively short-term, group-session based, psychotherapy.
In the training sessions the health care workers themselves, many of whom are also survivors of horrendous violence, work through the therapeutic process with Pesso. STATE OF MIND: HEALING TRAUMA captures the sessions in a series of fly-on-the-wall scenes, and candid, heartbreaking interviews with the participants put the effort in a larger context. A layered, engrossing and intriguing look at a national collective trauma and one ambitious initiative to try and heal wounds.
'Al Pesso, a Master therapist from the U.S. demonstrates how the language of trauma and recovery transcends language and culture, and that it is possible to install a sense of safety and protection in even the most traumatized individuals. A remarkable achievement.' -Bessel van der Kolk, MD, Director, National Complex Trauma Treatment Network
Citation
Main credits
Tunda Wa Munga, Djo (film director)
Tunda Wa Munga, Djo (film producer)
Markovitz, Steven (film producer)
Pesso, Albert (presenter)
Other credits
Cinematographer, Inigo Westemeier; editor, Nathalie Triniac.
Distributor subjects
Africa; Central Africa; Conflict Resolution; Congo; Mental Health; Psychology; US and Canadian Broadcast RightsKeywords
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[sil.]
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What\'s happening inside?
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[sil.]
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Nothing at all. That\'s interesting.
When people are saying nothing at all,
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it could be a dissociative process.
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[sil.]
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Sometimes when people have a
lot of strong emotion inside…
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[sil.]
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One way to deal with it is to
dissociate and feel nothing.
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[sil.]
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So they could be like a voice.
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Feel nothing, know nothing.
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[sil.]
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[sil.]
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We were stopped
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because the traffic stopped.
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And the police man came and tapped
on the window, wanted it opened.
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I have been dosing in the back
and they had to ignore him.
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They say if they open the window, open the door,
they come in and start to be threatening.
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How dangerous that could be.
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And they had to just ignore that.
That means that the… the very people
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who are there to provide law
and order are corrupted,
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not because they corrupt, probably the
only way they can make extra money.
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They don\'t get paid enough. And how unsafe
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the population must be where
this, the police will terrorize
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the people if they think they can,
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I mean, I began to say that in the past they would
have be, have money, demand and everything.
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And so it was sudden shock of fear.
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In my innocence, I would have
cranked the window down.
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[sil.]
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What\'s happening inside?
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I feel…
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I have a feeling of security. So he
could say you can feel secure with me.
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[non-English narration]
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Can I say some… suggest one more thing?
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I\'m watching the way you are breathing.
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And the way your chest is moving here.
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Take his hands and put it
little higher on your chest.
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[sil.]
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Yeah, same way put your arms
still around him, yeah.
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Put your hands, no, put them
across, yeah like that.
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And pull his hands to your chest.
Yeah. Yeah, how does that feel?
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I feel good.
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So he says if I been your ideal father,
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I would have held you like this.
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And you could have taken
that goodness in your chest.
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[sil.]
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[sil.]
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How do they had people grow
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when something is telling them the
way things are now is absolutely,
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the foundation of our tradition
and the way God wants us to be.
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How can we do things in
a society which will
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make them look at that not only with new
eyes, but with the belief and the energy,
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that they themselves can produce the changes
and it, and want to produce the change
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unless they tell themselves this is God\'s
will and this is the way that it has to be.
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[sil.]
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What do I mean by pilot? You know, in an
airplane, the pilot is running the airplane,
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making decisions, and controlling it.
So the pilot, is that part of us
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that is running us, that
is the chief of ourselves,
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that… that is making decisions, and we make
decisions, it isn\'t somebody else telling us.
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The pilot is our own learning.
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I make decisions. I carry out my decision.
I\'m responsible for my decisions
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that means like becoming an
adult, in charge of your life.
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But when I look around here and I see so many people
who don\'t look like they have any sense of meaning,
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eyes are blind, and any sense
of ownership of the self.
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I think that something
has happened in history
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that takes away the sense of \"I really run my life\",
\'cause everybody else has running it for centuries,
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how can I possibly get a picture of running
my life when I\'ve had no history of it.
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You know, that\'s heart breaking to see.
So how important it is,
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we pushed, we have the nervous system
in our brain to have owner of the self
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and to be able to make a life for our self.
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[sil.]
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[sil.]
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One basic and very huge question to
answer was, \"If experimental workshop was
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asked the questions of whether it fits
or not to the Congolese context?\"
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So we came in with a hypothesis
which was, this approach
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could be helpful in the Congolese context where
we dealing with millions of traumatized people
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but we were not sure. So the…
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the basic question of the workshop, and of this
gathering, of resource persons, decision makers,
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experienced people from the ground was
to question of \"Whether if fits or not?\"
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whether we would, together with the government
introduce this approach in the (inaudible)
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to deal and care for the
traumatized people or not.
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[sil.]
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That moment of decision,
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when Anselm first asked me, it was just
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no option to say no. Not
from him, but from me.
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So I\'m… I\'m, today will be,
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like, the real beginning, everything was
introduction till now. And I\'m so curious
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how I\'ll be, how much I could communicate,
how transportable this work is,
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I\'m tryna\' see how the future will…
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will grow out of all this. Let\'s say, you,
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at some point were like so,
and then from all the talking
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we did if we were in therapy, I might have
heard that his father was killed in a war,
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so I might say to him,
\"Maybe we could imagine
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an ideal father who
wouldn\'t have died in a war
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but who would have been there when you
were child growing up.\" So we make
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a ritual event as if he is a child again
and we don\'t give him his real father
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\'cause his real father died but his body
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is still waiting for fathering.
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[sil.]
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We need to feel that we
have a place on earth
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that we are wanted, and
there\'s place for us,
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and that we have the right to exist, so place. A lot
of people here are missing that sense of place,
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that they have the right to be
here and that it\'s a good place.
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So I see that the way you… So
that means that they are missing
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what are genes, our history
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is telling us should have been their place.
And then they got to have nurture.
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Nurture means to be fed, okay. And when
we are inside our mother\'s uterus,
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we are fed by the umbilical
cord, when we are out,
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we are fed by her breast and her milk.
Okay, so we need to be fed.
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We need them to be supported. When
we come out of our mother\'s uterus,
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we are helpless. We are not
like a puppy comes out
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and it\'s walking, a horse
comes out, it\'s walking.
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Babies come out, they don\'t walk, so they need
to be carried, they need to be supported.
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And babies are very vulnerable, very soft.
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They have no power, they need to be
protected, they need to be shielded.
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And when we are born, we are born
with enormous capacity for power.
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The ability to create,
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the ability to destroy, those
are the dynamos, even babies
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have that ability to create and the ability to sort.
And that is, as they grow up, those… those two powers
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have got to be integrated,
unified, and modulated.
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That means parents to help
us handle how angry we get,
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and how sexual we get. \'Cause
what is to create sexuality?
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What is to destroy aggression? Those
powers have got to be limited.
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So that\'s part of those basic needs. Remember it,
Place, nurture, support, protection, limits.
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[sil.]
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So we make a ritual event,
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as if he was the child again and
we\'re gonna invent an ideal father
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who had he been back there
then, would have been
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a protector for him. So now, I ask
him, \"Choose somebody to role-play
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your ideal father.\"
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Before he gets up, before
he gets up, we make
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a ritual contract, he has
to say, \"I will role play
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your ideal father.\"
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So he says, if I was your ideal father,
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I wouldn\'t have died when
you were a little boy
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and I would be there to protect you.
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What happens when you here that?
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And then turn your back and like so,
put your arms around him like that
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and pull him to your chest.
What\'s happening to his face?
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[sil.]
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So now, he doesn\'t have a hand
here, he has his whole body
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as the shield now, so this is
a ritual that is happening
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in the hypothetical past.
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Not just something that is
happening in this room now.
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And then I have him say, if I was your
ideal father, you could have held me
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like this forever.
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Because forever
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is not a measure of time,
it\'s a state of mind,
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and we are putting that as a
permanent state of mind in his…
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[sil.]
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Can you tell what\'s happening inside?
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[sil.]
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Yes, before it was imagination,
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I, first,
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visualized the real… And did
you take in the ideal father?
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Yes. Good.
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So try and put that in your mind,
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in that part of your mind just
a memory of yourself as a boy,
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put this father back there.
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[sil.]
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And tell me when you are
finished putting it there.
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[sil.]
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But I have never hugged my father.
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That means he missed that. So he
says, \"If I was your ideal father…\"
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[sil.]
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\"…I would have been there
for you to hug every day.\"
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[sil.]
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I am. Okay, thank you very much, thank you.
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Feel and know your feeling,
think and know your thinking,
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and then with that get a sense
of the meaning of life.
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That\'s what happen, we are not just
animals, we have a sense, life has meaning.
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[sil.]
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[sil.]
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When I think of the concerns,
I saw such a wide range,
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not only a wide range of trauma
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and a wide range of concerns
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but a wide range of hope versus despair.
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Some of the people would speak about
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all the issues they are attempting
to deal with, but their eyes
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and their manner showed resignation.
They were working at it,
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they were and the middle of it,
but they were disillusioned,
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despairing, and without hope.
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And I see how important would be for them
in order to be able to implement any things
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that I can communicate that they do.
They do their own work
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and reawaken even in the face
of what they are dealing with
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and then I was struck by
others who were vibrant,
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who are full of vitality,
why do some die inside
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in some stay within. So I\'m struck by that.
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The history of our country
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is like stitching that can easily unravel
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through successive violence.
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If we went a little into it we would realize
that this story is only made of \"that\".
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From one generation to
another, we find ourselves
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in front of a frustrated people.
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Generation after generation, they all carry
the weight of crime on their shoulders.
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It\'s a heavy weight.
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Why? Because this is all they\'ve known.
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[sil.]
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If you imagine that you may
have hundreds of thousands
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or millions of people in
depression, it becomes
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a major barrier and burden to productivity.
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Productivity in a social sense, people are
not so well articulated when it comes to,
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to be social, socialized, to be parents,
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to be a father, to be mother, to
be a sister, a brother, a child.
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But it also a burden to economic productivity
because if you live in depression,
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you are not initiative. You are not the
one who gonna start an enterprise,
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you are not the one who take an action, who is willing
to take a risk to make your own living, happening.
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So this is a population
where any decision makers
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on the Congolese side, but also many
partners do feel that productivity
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in social but also in
economic sense is very low.
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I think this probably may result also form
the high burden on psychological trauma
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on the population.
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[music]
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[music]
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The problem that remain in society;
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it means that the war comes, and then goes,
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but the habits that accompany the war…tend
to stay a little with the people.
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Say they adopt these habits over the years.
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These are children who have
seen their mother being raped
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and other kind of violence…
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and this remains in the head, it stays there, it also affects
the mood, of course, but over time, these growing children
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start to repeat the same acts.
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[music]
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[sil.]
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[sil.]
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And they think, you better undertake
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from this therapeutic process, that I\'m gonna
be teaching about, and directly ask themselves
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to do some healing things.
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And we do it so much more indirectly
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by role-play
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and dealing with history, which
to them and almost to me,
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it might seem like we are going into
fantasy land away from the hard
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and immediate reality. So
there\'s almost one part of me
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that said to myself in contrast
to their living experience
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with this trauma, said I\'m
doing maybe play therapy,
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you know, it\'s,
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we\'re gonna be doing role
play, we\'re gonna be doing
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as if with ideal settings.
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[sil.]
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[non-English narration]
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.999
For me, it\'s really a… a chance
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and a special force to be able
to take part to this workshop.
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[sil.]
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.999
[non-English narration]
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.999
But when I look at my finger,
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I feel I\'m revolted. So witness would say,
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.999
\"I see, how much disgust you feel
when you look at your finger.\"
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.999
[sil.]
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.999
And also how saddened you feel
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.999
to have that emotion of disgust.
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.999
Is that right?
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.999
Yes, it\'s right.
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.999
[non-English narration]
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.999
Because when I look at me, I
remember what happened to me.
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:13.000
[non-English narration]
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.999
Yes, I\'m really shrugged,
me, as a married woman.
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:24.999
[non-English narration]
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.999
So I was a married woman, but
in my country the strangers
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made me a sexual slave.
So witness would say,
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.999
\"I see, how unjust it feels that the
strangers made you a sexual slave.\"
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.999
[sil.]
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.999
Let me… let me say something now.
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:54.999
Right at this moment,
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.999
you are thinking and seeing
in your mind the strangers.
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[sil.]
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.999
Is that right? Yes, I\'m
seeing the Wrandies and Hutu.
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:14.999
Okay, and at such a moment,
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we make the move called putting
a placeholder to represent
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who you are seeing in your mind. So
you can pick one of these objects
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to be a place holder, a
representatives of the Hutus.
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[sil.]
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.999
And we call that a place holder.
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That place holder will be the database
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and information about
everything about them.
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:54.999
[sil.]
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.999
So it is and as if they are standing
in this room. So pick something.
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.999
I don\'t like to represent them.
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.999
They are not to represent
as if they are here
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.999
but it\'s your memory in you are
mind, maybe it\'s better not to put,
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.999
but somewhere in your
mind you are seeing them.
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:28.000
[sil.]
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.999
But if you don\'t. Yes, I\'m seeing them.
Okay, we put something to represent
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that or still put it somewhere in the air
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.999
in the room as a placeholder.
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.999
[sil.]
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.999
Maybe put them somewhere in the air.
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.999
So we put somewhere, just not
them but the idea of them.
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[sil.]
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:09.999
Yeah, and that way, we can make a reversal.
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.999
We can invent
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the beginning possibility,
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ideal strangers
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.999
who would never make you a sexual slave.
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.999
Yeah, and a witness would say,
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:39.999
\"See how right that feels to
imagine that possibility.\"
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.999
[sil.]
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:49.999
So do you follow theoretically
what I\'m doing?
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.999
We put the idea the way it was,
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and then we make a reversal,
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not with them but with ideal strangers
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.999
who would never do what these Hutu\'s did.
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:18.000
[sil.]
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.999
If we were ideal strangers,
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.999
we would never make you a sexual slave.
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.999
What happens when you
hear that possibility?
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.999
It\'s good. So witness would say,
\"See, how right that feels.\"
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.999
[sil.]
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.999
Yes, really right.
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.999
They say, \"If were ideal strangers,
we would do what was right and just.\"
00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:03.000
[sil.]
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.999
That\'s just.
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.999
Witness would say, \"I
see how calms you feels
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.999
to imagine that possibility.\"
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:28.000
[sil.]
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.999
So go back in time in your mind
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.999
and imagine how it would have
felt when you were at that age
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.999
with these ideal strangers.
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:53.000
[sil.]
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:09.999
What\'s happening in the…
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.999
in the silence?
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:23.000
[non-English narration]
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:29.999
I see these ideal strangers who
are friends and who help me
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:34.999
to build my life. So this
time it might be useful
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:39.999
to expand the bookmark idea
of those ideal strangers.
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.999
[sil.]
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.999
And have people role-play ideal strangers
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.999
who would help you build your life.
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.999
[sil.] Would you like to do that?
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.999
Yes, that\'s good.
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.999
Pick some people to be ideal strangers.
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:18.000
[sil.]
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.999
Okay, and then him, yeah.
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:34.999
Is that right? Now, it\'s interesting
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.999
that you have her face this way,
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.999
because this is a classical position
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.999
for getting protection. So she
says, \"If I was an ideal stranger,
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:54.999
I would protect you.\"
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.999
How does that feel.
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.999
That\'s good. Now take that
feeling of protection
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.999
and the feeling of relief and
put it back in your mind
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.999
as if it happened back then.
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.999
[sil.]
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.999
So it becomes an old memory and
not just something happening now.
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:29.999
[sil.]
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.999
It\'s okay. So imagine how it would feel
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.999
to have protection and also
someone who would help.
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.999
At that time of your life.
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:53.000
[non-English narration]
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.999
I feel that what happened to me
wasn\'t, couldn\'t happen to me, yet,
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.999
because I had person to protect me. So
they say, \"If we had been in your past,
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.999
we would have protected you
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.999
and it couldn\'t have happened. So
that would not have happened.\"
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:28.000
[sil.]
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.999
It had just the beginning
of moving your body
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.999
and the image in my mind was
that you felt more free.
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:44.999
[sil.]
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.999
And liberated. Is that right? That\'s right.
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:58.000
[sil.]
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.999
What\'s happening in the silence?
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:18.000
[non-English narration]
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.999
Okay, so I imagine myself
being free and being,
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.999
and being able to… to work. So they
say, \"If we\'ve been in your past,
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.999
you\'d be able to be free
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.999
and able to do your work.\"
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.999
Thank you. Witnesses say,
\"See how grateful you feel.\"
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.999
And it was just a moment
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.999
when your eyes looked forward.
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.999
And sometimes when people look that way,
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.999
they are not just looking forward,
they are looking in the future.
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.999
And you had looked like
you had a sense of hope
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.999
for the future.
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.999
Yeah, we\'d say her right that feels
(inaudible). So maybe they could say,
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.999
\"If we had been in your past,
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.999
you could look forward
with hope to the future.\"
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:43.000
[sil.]
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[sil.]
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:48.000
[sil.]
Distributor: Icarus Films
Length: 52 minutes
Date: 2010
Genre: Expository
Language: French; English / English subtitles
Grade: 10-12, College, Adult
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