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That really go wild in there.

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Look down the driveway. Oh my God.
The driveway. It was so beautiful.

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When we arrived.

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In 1971,

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my mom and dad co-founded a
large farm community in Ontario.

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It changed our lives,

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but its story from beginning
to end is fractured.

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When I first, this thing
is big eye looking.

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I first met your dad skiing at a
manning park, a young life event.

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No, I met you first. No, no. It was at
the with the salmon. Came up to spawn.

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No, on the bus. We're on a bus. I
sat beside you. That's when it was.

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You guys have a different story
about everything. That's okay.

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When is the last time that
you were here together? Oh,

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50 years ago. No,

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it would've been March, 1974,

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just before I left. 1974.
84. 9,404. 40 years.

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40 years ago. Two years ago. 42
years. 42 years ago. 42 years.

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Your dad and I had met through Young Life,

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an evangelical Christian organization
founded in the United States,

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and your dad was a leader
on the staff in Vancouver.

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Throughout my life,

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my parents have referenced their
world travels from the 1960s as the

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life-changing event that inspired
them to live in community.

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The impact was mind blowing
because every time we talked

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to anybody, they couldn't believe what
we experienced, but it was the world.

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We're out in the world, Pakistan, Iraq,

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and we went through adventures where
we almost got killed a few times,

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and so we were full of the world.

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I had such an immersion at age 20,

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I turned 20 on that trip. For me,

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it was a profound sense of
that no one is an island

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unto themself. Were an
interconnected part of the web,

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of the continent of life.

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I wanted to save the world after that.
I always sort of did and she always did,

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and we didn't really fit in young life.

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After we had that trip around
the world and studied in the

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Philippines, we both kind of
realized we needed something more.

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And I was depressed from India
from all the poverty and stuff,

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and I had to find my roots deeper
than what I had in young life through

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Christianity. So you went to Knox
College? Oh, it was amazing. Yeah,

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it was brilliant. So all I did was
study at U of T. I'd say to your dad,

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could we have just a little walk
together, the two of us, ah,

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I'm too busy, or I got to do this or that,

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and write an essay and here's
another paper to type. Oh, now,

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yes.

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This is Northy Drive list here on the left

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new house. It's not the.

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One we do.

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I asked my parents if they would take
me to Northy Drive so I could see the

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house where it all began.

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77. This one right here? No, not 75, 77.

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I know this one right here.
It isn't changed at all.

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You guys were at the center of
a pretty big social community.

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Yeah, called it. I hate to use
Charles Manson's term, but the family.

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I never called it that. Why?
Because I didn't see it as a family.

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I saw it as a community.
It was a fellowship.

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It was kind of an alternative to a church.

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Our home on Northy Drive
became kind of a busy place.

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People coming and going and we
would have weekly meetings that

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were a gathering place for discussion,
for prayer and for singing.

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How I met everybody was, I think
it was 1970. I was in grade 11.

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Your dad was my teacher and your
dad was interesting and current

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and really charismatic.

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It totally turned me around. I left my
parents' home. I came into your home.

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That was my first home away from home.
He was an out of the box teacher.

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Your father had a lot of charisma.

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There was something about
him and I do remember feeling

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challenged to question the status
quo and institutions, so there.

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Was a new lens presented.

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Creating an intentional community
was promulgated to those of us who

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were receptive to that kind of idea.

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And so we began meeting on Monday nights
where also we would do some singing.

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And I started to go to meetings
in your mom and dad's home.

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They always had people, always intense
conversations around the dining table.

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I was the one looking out for the kids.

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The relationships were really
important with the kids.

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You guys were really important to me.

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It was like a community that was building
and they had to pay like $80 a month

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for groom and board and participate in
washing dishes and getting groceries and

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cleaning the house. So
you lived as a family?

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I left and ran away from home at
a very, very young age. For me,

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Granger was a person that
cared about other people.

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The fact that he and Diane took me off
the street and offered me a place in your

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family so I could have a place to live,

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family was something that
we were all looking for.

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A lot of people at my
generation were doing drugs,

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questioning just about
everything that you could name.

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There were a lot of issues
that we wanted to explore.

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This is a newspaper clipping
that I found, and in it,

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you see it talks about doorway.

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Doorway was the drop-in center that
Granger and Diane Cowie started

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as a place for us to have an outlet
and the point was to talk about

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issues, things that were troubling
us, things that were bothering us,

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things that we just wanted to work out,

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and if something like
doorway hadn't opened up,

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I'm really not sure how some of
my friends would've ended up.

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Know. There was stuff going on in the
States in the hippie movement. Well,

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we had ours. There was a lot of
drugs going on too at the time.

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I mean there was a revolution going
on because, and I don't mind sharing.

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Those were the days where I was doing
a lot of acid and smoking a lot,

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doing masculine smoking, a lot of
hack and those were great times too.

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So I think this was a center to try to
help us. Some of us could have gone over.

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The deep edge.

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Doorway was just full of conversations.

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This was an outreach to all the kids who
were cruising around trying to have a

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place where they felt they
could belong and come to.

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So it's just gathering people. So
it just grew and grew and grew.

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Yes, grew and grew and
grew and grew and grew.

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Your dad was kind of
the resident theologian,

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but others were educated too and
we would often all contribute

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ideas because we were trying to
speak to the bigger structures of

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society. In a way, we were
trying to be counter-cultural.

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We all came out of being baby boomers.

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I grew up with a set of values that was
hard and fast in terms of the need for

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definition with strong family
values, traditional in many ways.

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We knew the world was changing.

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We knew that the post-war fifties
world was being challenged on all

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sorts of fronts, but
that just created chaos.

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It was all about civil rights,
feminism, peace, movement.

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It was compelling, attractive,

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and it was meaningful and was
really looking for wanting to make a

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difference.

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We felt.

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How about if we had a place where people
could gather and we could learn from

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each other and expand our world,

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trying to look at ways to live
differently in the society.

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We had create things that were different,
that were more peaceful, more real,

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more truthful.

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I set out to find everyone across Canada
to stitch together the story of the

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farm more than four decades
later, and to my surprise,

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everyone had a piece of the puzzle.

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So Ian was the back to the
land arm of that social

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movement that you were part of?

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That's right. It was
partly back to the land,

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but it was still tied into what
was going on in the city. I mean,

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aside from your dad, we
had very little idea,

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but we wanted to know that we
could do something different.

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We'd envisioned the farm being an
outreach for kids from the city who were

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struggling with drug abuse and
emotional scarring from parents and

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families.

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It would be a really healthy thing to get
people out of the city and give them a

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chance to experience what the country
was like, what farming was like,

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what Putting your hands in dirt was like
what? Being around animals was like.

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I was one of the original owners.

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I can remember the day we went to sign
the arrangement for the sale At that

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time, it was kind of big for us feeling
very committed. After that meeting,

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you were going to do this. It
wasn't just talked about anymore.

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I remember it was $26,000 for
85 acres, including a farmhouse,

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a barn shed, and bush. They're
all putting an equal amount in,

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so it was important that
everybody had their say.

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Most of us had never
seen that much debt load.

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The back woodlot was magnificent.
It was mixed. Climax,

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forest of beach and maple, ash and oak.

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I never felt, because I was an owner, I
had more power of decision making ever.

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I thought everyone was
putting in their fair share.

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So I always believed that whatever
anyone could do physically, emotionally,

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mentally, service rise,
whatever was equal.

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So I never thought I had any
more power than the next person.

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Collectives, communes, faith, communities.

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I mean these things were just coming
into play and we were influenced,

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I guess by the whole movement in
the sixties and seventies anyway of

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collectivism just looking at ways
of trying to do things differently,

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an alternative to private ownership.

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There were messages that I heard and
embraced that housing should not be a

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commodity. Bought and sold for
profit. Everybody needs a house.

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Everybody needs water.

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Everybody needs food and stewardship
of the Earth's resources was another.

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We were recycling way back then.

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I think I had five bucks a backpack
with a toothbrush and hitchhiked across

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Canada. Just wanted to participate
in whatever way I could.

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I remember my friend Jack Segley. He
was my best friend in high school.

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He was an owner in fact of this
farm. He said, good enough for Jack.

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I'm going up there to check it out.

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That's when I showed up at the farm
and just participated where I could.

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To me, I didn't see it as a
philosophy. We were all just there.

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I left everything. When I came to Midian
farm, I left my family, my friends,

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my country,

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and I married Jack and I believed in
what the intentions of the farm were.

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I felt that it was a valuable thing.

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I had hitchhiked across Canada and had
spent some time in San Francisco before I

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ended up at the farm and was
beginning to tap into that communal,

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late sixties, whatever you want to
call it, the hippie thing. For me,

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it was just changing your perception
of the directions your life can go

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in. Oh, that's possible.

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It was about trying to understand our
faith in light of engaging with the

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world and the issues of the time.

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Maybe it was more self-conscious
those days or maybe you were more

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evangelical. Were you
wanting to convert people?

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I think I just wanted people
to feel welcomed and loved.

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What it was or what it is is about.

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It's about justice and that's what
the Christian story is justice.

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So we had the doorway, the drop-in.

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We had hundreds of kids coming
in the city six nights a week.

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We didn't go and preach to
them. We didn't go say, oh,

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you should become a Christian. We
listened to them. We listened to them,

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and the farm was the same.

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We didn't have meetings up
there to make people Christian.

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What we did was we
simply acted out of love,

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which is the Jesus story,
and it includes everybody.

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It includes everybody. You don't
have to say, oh, I'm a Christian.

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But the point is it's to do
with just being human to your

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deepest core and listening to people,

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and for us working for justice.

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I trusted these people implicitly.

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I felt that they were very
committed to what they were doing.

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I felt that they were for sure and
nobody knew how it was going to turn out,

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but everybody was in it for real,

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and it felt like I was coming home
even though it wasn't my home at all.

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I felt welcomed and looked after.

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We were looking at the world and seeing
the hurt and the pain and responding to

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it and making it better and
recognizing that we need to do

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something about it. Not just go
to church on Sundays and be good.

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There was social action involved. There
were people that needed to be impacted.

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The young life thing was
a very evangelical sort of
approach to meeting young

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people and telling them about
Christianity, telling them about Jesus.

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Whereas this was a more
practical approach.

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I know your dad was always big on
that. When we do things together,

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that's how we really begin to experience
what this community could be and find

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out how to support each other
and how to move in the world.

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Great. I love this one.
Tell me about your wedding.

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I never felt it was just my wedding.

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I always felt it was the opening of
the farm. It was like to the world.

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Here we are, medium farm.

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Certainly something like Nancy and
John's wedding and the barn dance

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afterwards and the sense of
joy we had with the music

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and the dancing and new
kids were very happy.

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There were so many joyful moments.

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It was a lot of work, but it was a lot
of people came together to make it work,

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so it was a real kind of building
event. So yeah. How many people?

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Somewhere between 50 and a hundred maybe.

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Who was your best man?

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My friend Bob Dolman,

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and I remember the time he
had a girlfriend who came
with him, but she was ful.

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She wanted to leave after 10 minutes.
It was really quite different.

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Did you believe as a collective that
what you were doing would actually

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affect greater change?

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The way it was set up,

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there was a direct link to Toronto
and what was going on in Toronto,

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and it was more about a back and forth.

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Nancy and I lived there
full time the first year,

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but there wasn't a group of us
who were there just to be there.

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Sixties and seventies. It
was the era of possibility.

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Utopian aspiration.

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When I think of utopia, a place
called the farm come to mind.

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In the.

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States. In the States, right?

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They went on their own place and
that's where they lived and worked and

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developed, and they set
it up to consciously be
complete alternate community.

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That was not the sense of Midian farm.

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It was much more tied to what
was happening in Toronto.

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Our neighbors thought
we were hippie commune.

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You knew from the facial
expressions or some of the comments,

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it was strange to them and they were
worried about a group of young people all

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living in one house and
what was going on here.

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We looked like hippies, definitely.

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A lot of the females were into
long dresses, no underwear.

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The guys had long hair, often
tied back with a piece of leather.

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I could understand why the
neighbors would wonder.

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We weren't about drugs at all. We were
not about sex, drugs and rock and roll.

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We were the antithesis of that,
but we were perceived as being sex,

00:19:16.300 --> 00:19:17.220
drugs, and rock and roll.

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People call me a hippie. I would
say, well, what's a hippie?

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And if they meant drug,

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if you're on drugs and you have multiple
partners, no, then we're not hippies.

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That's not what we're
about. We're alternative.

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We're into alternative ways of living.

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It was never called a commune. It was
never a commune in the hippie sense.

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It was an intentional community.
It was a very intentional thing.

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The kind of music that we listened to.

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It was very popular with
the Woodstock generation.

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I heard every Cat Stephen
song hundreds of times.

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And so what was the
songbook of Midian farm?

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People have referenced
certain artists and songs,

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but I'd like to hear from you what your
memory is of what that songbook was.

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One sort of part of it was that
carrying forward all of the

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songs that had been sung through young
life. So there was all of that stuff.

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And then of course, other artists
like James Taylor, cat Stevens.

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So Cat Stevens was very popular
because he had this spiritual element,

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this social element, this
sort of catchy pop song,

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hit song element that
was accessible to people.

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So he was very popular and
then I brought all this

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gospel music that just
became part of it too.

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Where this soul world's in a terrible fix,

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but someone's got to
take it, blame for this,

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and it's a glory.

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Hallelujah.

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Since.

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We were aware that it was a bit of a
social experiment in the sense that could

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we be self-sustaining in many
ways as far as food was concerned,

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heat making sure you had enough wood.

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A lot of us had no idea what a winter
supply of wood actually looks like.

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We had to understand about wells and
conserving water and what happened if it

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went dry. We just kind
of had to figure it out.

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As a city kid, I'd never
even been in a tractor.

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I'd never done anything
farm like and farm.

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I'm running around with bailers and
hauling logs out of bush and doing maple

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syrup in the back, woodlot.

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All of these tasks
required a lot of labor,

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so we had very much of a communal
workforce in those first two years,

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and we had big projects.

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The farm was a working community.

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Anybody from my generation who wasn't
living at the farm could at least go up

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there to visit and participate and work
on the farm and see what it was like.

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There was always jobs to do,
so I remember at one point,

00:22:26.650 --> 00:22:27.910
which was insane,

00:22:28.450 --> 00:22:33.250
finding nails in the grass and then trying
to straighten them so we could reuse

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them. It was hard. It was hard work.

00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:41.350
And one particular Sunday I remember
they were pulling down one side of the

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barn and that was an education in itself.

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That end of the barn had gotten
wrecked probably by old age.

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There's no sense having a three
walled barn, especially in the winter.

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We did a lot of the painting over
there with Nancy and Joan and Peter,

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but I think a lot of the works that the
women did was of the vegetable gardens.

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It was a organic market garden.

00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.850
Dick both was visionary in
what he created in the garden.

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It was amazing.

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Well, Dick was ahead of the
times. He never used pesticides,

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and during the winter months,

00:23:24.020 --> 00:23:28.510
he and Mary would pump heat from their
wood stove under the ground to the

00:23:28.510 --> 00:23:31.810
greenhouse so that we had a
functioning greenhouse all year round.

00:23:33.700 --> 00:23:36.130
It was great to have it
because he was a farmer.

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He knew what to do with the land,
so we worked a lot in the fields.

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It was great for suntanning too. You
could get out there and look pretty good.

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That clip of two people in
the garden with bathing suits.

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That is me in the green bathing
suit. The other one's, Michelle.

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Do you remember how you
learned about Midian?

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It was through your mother originally.

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They needed someone who knew
something about gardening,

00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:03.050
knew how to manage a garden, so we
were looking for somewhere to go.

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Early years, they had trouble
keeping ahead of the weeds.

00:24:06.950 --> 00:24:09.830
Dick had been a professional
gardener in the past,

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so they got him to come
to help out the situation.

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The inspiration came from our
ideas about growing things,

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different methods.

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They had marigold's, remember they
planted marigolds in some of the circles.

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As a companion, you tried a lot
of companion planting. Yeah.

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Where did you learn that?

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Just from life.

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My time was spent useful
in looking at life.

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You're experimenting too,
and you read about it.

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Had you done it before?

00:24:43.820 --> 00:24:46.910
Well, on a major scale, I
was very first way doing it.

00:24:47.600 --> 00:24:52.280
Dick invested the money
into planting and you sold

00:24:52.460 --> 00:24:54.950
quite a bit at a stand on the road.

00:24:55.190 --> 00:24:57.050
So it was a source of income, right?

00:24:57.410 --> 00:24:58.243
Yeah.

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They would harvest the vegetables and
bring them down and sell 'em outside the

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Ontario housing projects because all
these immigrant people that were now up in

00:25:06.620 --> 00:25:09.860
the suburbs couldn't walk down
and get their vegetables anymore,

00:25:09.860 --> 00:25:12.740
and so they would bring the
vegetables to them to buy.

00:25:12.980 --> 00:25:17.540
Well, beans were a biggie.
Potatoes, cabbage, lettuce,

00:25:17.780 --> 00:25:22.190
peas, carrots, beets. Those
would be the main ones.

00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:25.190
I would say. Cucumbers, of course.

00:25:25.430 --> 00:25:26.263
Tomatoes.

00:25:26.330 --> 00:25:27.620
Tomatoes, definitely.

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I remember canning every
summer we would harvest,

00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:33.890
and prior to that my dietary
choices were very limited,

00:25:33.890 --> 00:25:35.990
but the farm just opened them wide up.

00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:44.510
Can you imagine just eating
food that was grown from the

00:25:44.520 --> 00:25:49.160
land that you picked and now you're
eating them at the dining room

00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:50.660
table that same day?

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Do you remember the kitchen table?

00:25:53.060 --> 00:25:54.140
Oh, absolutely.

00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:55.880
SAT 22.

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That's great.

00:26:04.970 --> 00:26:09.200
Salt pepper and pepper
piece of bread. Anyway.

00:26:10.370 --> 00:26:14.900
We had a really big round table,
huge round table in the kitchen,

00:26:15.050 --> 00:26:17.810
and I think we'd made it
from boards from the barn.

00:26:18.080 --> 00:26:22.490
Some days we'd sit down for noon lunch,
which was the big meal of the day at,

00:26:22.910 --> 00:26:26.210
I don't know, 20 people,
sometimes kids from the city.

00:26:27.110 --> 00:26:30.800
And we were working so hard that I could
out eat almost any guy sitting at the

00:26:30.800 --> 00:26:34.250
table. We were physically working
so hard that I was just hungry,

00:26:34.490 --> 00:26:36.050
but Ken Whitely was there,

00:26:36.050 --> 00:26:39.500
and one of the things that we liked to
make all the time was cheese and corn

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:40.070
soup.

00:26:40.070 --> 00:26:44.880
Le I can remember numerous times
taking this out of the oven with the

00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.140
top all risen.

00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:50.700
And I got into cooking. I got
into canning that would make pies,

00:26:50.820 --> 00:26:54.720
and in the farmhouse I cooked
separate. That was one of my tasks.

00:26:54.730 --> 00:26:57.690
I enjoyed doing it and I
didn't have to wash dishes.

00:26:58.230 --> 00:27:01.770
Everybody did all the same
jobs. Women didn't just cook.

00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:05.250
The guys had to cook sometimes we
all took turns during the dishes.

00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:08.640
Most of us grew up in households where
the boys did the garbage and the girls

00:27:08.650 --> 00:27:09.900
did pretty much everything else.

00:27:11.250 --> 00:27:16.050
I remember doing the dishes and all the
guys doing the dishes because the women

00:27:16.060 --> 00:27:19.650
put us in a place. We had to do
things like that, which was good.

00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:24.930
I remember singing with Bill,
Barbara, Ann, and songs like that.

00:27:24.940 --> 00:27:28.110
They were really fun. So there was
some fun things in the kitchen.

00:27:31.470 --> 00:27:35.700
One of the things in my eventual
progression towards vegetarianism was I

00:27:35.710 --> 00:27:40.170
remember one of these
big events and we had 25

00:27:40.350 --> 00:27:43.800
hens that were no longer laying
anymore. They were too old.

00:27:44.370 --> 00:27:46.770
So we were going to make a big
chicken curry for everyone,

00:27:46.770 --> 00:27:48.240
a big huge pot of chicken.

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.870
So we had to cut their heads off and I
always feel like anybody who's going to

00:27:51.870 --> 00:27:56.670
eat meat should experience what
it's like to take an ax and chop the

00:27:56.670 --> 00:28:01.140
head off a living thing because that's
what's involved with every time someone

00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:04.710
eats meat. That was no fun, I would say,

00:28:04.710 --> 00:28:07.050
and yet an important learning experience.

00:28:08.550 --> 00:28:10.350
Who would slaughter the animals?

00:28:10.590 --> 00:28:15.420
Sometimes they were done there. Take a
22 to their head. If they don't drop,

00:28:15.900 --> 00:28:18.510
then you have to take a
knife to their throat,

00:28:18.510 --> 00:28:20.160
but most of the time they would drop.

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.030
So it was painless and they
had to be gutted and bled,

00:28:24.630 --> 00:28:29.220
so we had to hang on. So we had
a lot of lamb to eat. The pigs.

00:28:29.230 --> 00:28:30.120
We had pigs.

00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:36.480
Nobody really knew how to live on a
day-to-day basis on a farm. First of all,

00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.410
you don't get an animal till you have it
properly. Be able to contain it safely,

00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:43.710
and then you make it a pen that's
big enough and nice enough,

00:28:44.520 --> 00:28:46.860
you have to build a
fence. If you get a sheep,

00:28:47.010 --> 00:28:49.380
you have to have a fence to
keep him in. If you get a pig,

00:28:49.380 --> 00:28:50.910
you have to have a fence to keep him in.

00:28:50.910 --> 00:28:54.090
Otherwise he runs away and everyone's
running down the road trying to catch him.

00:28:54.430 --> 00:28:57.270
We're kind of idiot city people
that didn't build the fence first.

00:28:58.470 --> 00:29:00.090
And the goats were my favorite.

00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:04.560
And we had three goats.
Hannah, Mona and Sarah.

00:29:05.250 --> 00:29:07.980
They're way smarter than we
were. There were three of them,

00:29:07.980 --> 00:29:12.960
and we'd go out to milk the goats and
they stick their foot in a bucket of

00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.010
milk and then they were escaping all the
time. And then don't remember that ram.

00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:22.050
Corny. Corny. Yeah. If you
weren't watching, he would
ram you. It was comical.

00:29:23.190 --> 00:29:27.990
He allowed me to get close to him
because he would butt ram everyone

00:29:27.990 --> 00:29:28.823
else really.

00:29:28.840 --> 00:29:33.510
But he was gentle with me
And your parents let you

00:29:33.510 --> 00:29:38.020
experiment with that. I was sort of, we
were allowed to do whatever we wanted.

00:29:38.080 --> 00:29:41.320
You were free. A free wild child. Yeah.

00:29:42.610 --> 00:29:45.430
I named every animal after Peter Brook.

00:29:47.410 --> 00:29:52.060
You guys as kids, you were as much
part of the firm as all we adults were.

00:29:54.760 --> 00:29:58.510
And I remember you and Michael and Paul,
we were always there. You're always,

00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:03.130
someone was holding you on the laugh
and it was just precious to see you were

00:30:03.130 --> 00:30:07.990
just free little spirits there and all
these people that just embraced and

00:30:07.990 --> 00:30:12.460
loved it was wonderful. We were the
only kids, right? As far as I remember.

00:30:12.460 --> 00:30:15.640
Occasionally other people would
bring other kids, but not too often.

00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:35.320
When I first started
experiencing Midian farm,

00:30:35.350 --> 00:30:38.290
I mean I was probably 11, 12,

00:30:38.320 --> 00:30:41.170
and it wasn't until a
couple of years after that,

00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:44.110
I think that my dad bought
the place next door.

00:30:44.110 --> 00:30:47.170
So I used to live up there at Midian.

00:30:47.800 --> 00:30:52.000
The experience of having my horse
up there was such a huge part of it.

00:30:52.390 --> 00:30:57.130
And the horse's name was Higgins fellow
and they had a pretty good life up

00:30:57.130 --> 00:30:58.150
there. Well,

00:30:58.150 --> 00:31:01.450
because they had this a hundred acres
that they could wander around in.

00:31:01.450 --> 00:31:05.560
It was like the woods and the
fields, and so they were pretty wild.

00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:12.080
You look so much like your dad,
from what I remember of Omar, right?

00:31:13.150 --> 00:31:17.260
Yeah. He would've been 91
this year. You miss him?

00:31:17.590 --> 00:31:18.880
Yeah, I do.

00:31:20.530 --> 00:31:25.090
And Omar, of course, Omar was
so good for me. He was older and

00:31:26.800 --> 00:31:31.240
I could always go and talk to
him and he was so supportive

00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:37.570
and I maintained our
friendship. Right until he died.

00:31:39.010 --> 00:31:40.810
Your dad thanks to him,

00:31:40.820 --> 00:31:45.340
he documented the making
of the dome and he did

00:31:45.340 --> 00:31:47.170
document that process.

00:31:48.040 --> 00:31:51.250
I remember this book. Yeah.
We built a dome with it.

00:31:52.430 --> 00:31:56.680
It's a magazine. It's a magazine
about how to build geodesic domes.

00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:02.080
I came back from Montreal Expo seeing
the Buckminster Fuller dome and

00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.460
this inspiring you come back from
that is what you, I say 14, 15 year,

00:32:06.470 --> 00:32:11.050
year old kid got me inspired by all
this so that I want to get this book

00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:15.400
and learn how to build
domes. I really did.

00:32:16.100 --> 00:32:19.880
So you were both at Expo 67? Well, we
didn't know it, but we didn't know it.

00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:20.853
We didn't know each other.

00:32:22.390 --> 00:32:26.170
And after 40 years you say that
you were there. I was there.

00:32:27.430 --> 00:32:31.840
And you see it shows you all the
details as to how to put the triangles

00:32:31.840 --> 00:32:35.260
together, right? Exactly. Yeah.
And you get the angles right? Yeah.

00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:40.490
This was hard math for us
kids. Yeah, that's right.

00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.380
And we were all trying to understand
exactly what the concept was,

00:32:46.070 --> 00:32:50.840
but we understood the idea that it was
pretty cool that there was a way to

00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:55.880
build spaces without
using too much material.

00:32:56.330 --> 00:33:00.380
I think that was the key. It
was really difficult to build.

00:33:00.950 --> 00:33:05.240
They didn't know how to put this stuff
together. It was very tough. Yeah,

00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.280
look at that old notes. Yeah,

00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:12.600
it's just understanding I guess the
different Strutt lengths and everything.

00:33:24.950 --> 00:33:29.600
I think I dug most of the septic field
for the dome by hand out in the field

00:33:29.610 --> 00:33:31.580
because we couldn't
afford to get a backhoe.

00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:34.370
So these long trenches for the drain tile,

00:33:34.580 --> 00:33:37.190
I remember digging a lot of that by hand.

00:33:40.250 --> 00:33:44.120
Jack played a significant role
in sort of design and layout,

00:33:45.170 --> 00:33:49.880
and my function was helping to
cost out the materials needed and

00:33:50.180 --> 00:33:53.150
what labor we needed and
the timetable, Jack and I,

00:33:53.150 --> 00:33:55.310
and I think Corbett worked
a lot on the domes too.

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:15.620
It took on its own personality,
which wasn't so much shaped by me,

00:34:15.620 --> 00:34:19.700
I didn't think. I thought it was shaped
by them and they did all the work.

00:34:21.470 --> 00:34:23.510
So I consider it their farm, not mine,

00:34:25.910 --> 00:34:26.900
but I sure loved it.

00:34:28.970 --> 00:34:31.470
It was an amazing place.

00:34:35.420 --> 00:34:39.200
I don't think we were ever
a perfect utopian society.

00:34:39.200 --> 00:34:43.820
I think we were trying to figure
out how to be a Christian community,

00:34:44.570 --> 00:34:48.410
and it was open their hospitable or
embraced everyone who had come there.

00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.650
And there was quite a diversity
of people who would come.

00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:58.850
There was a really strong sense that
this was going to be an egalitarian

00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:03.410
community and complete
equality between men and women.

00:35:04.100 --> 00:35:08.360
Whereas some of us had come out of
Christian organizations like Young Life or

00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.750
the church where women were
not treated fully equal,

00:35:12.350 --> 00:35:15.740
that we were sort of
subsidiaries, we were helpers,

00:35:16.460 --> 00:35:18.260
but we weren't full partners.

00:35:21.590 --> 00:35:24.560
And did you feel that
you were Granger's equal?

00:35:25.010 --> 00:35:27.860
I felt I was Granger's equal,
but I'm not quite sure.

00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:32.570
The dynamics of the relationship
and the world in which we married

00:35:32.570 --> 00:35:35.690
into was fully fleshed out in that time.

00:35:38.610 --> 00:35:42.960
We enjoyed what we did, all those
kids, and we didn't preach to them.

00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.920
It was the easiest mix you
could imagine. It was seamless.

00:35:47.220 --> 00:35:51.810
Diane was so respected and
especially with the young women,

00:35:52.050 --> 00:35:56.340
they just always wanted to be around her
and she talked to them, counseled them.

00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.500
I mean, when I was a minister,

00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:01.380
she used to come and sneak in
and rewrite my sermons for me,

00:36:02.670 --> 00:36:05.790
but that was because I was probably
way less literate than her.

00:36:08.100 --> 00:36:11.790
When I reflect on myself being needy,

00:36:11.970 --> 00:36:14.910
looking for parental figures,

00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.890
choosing Diane and Granger
as leaders, Diane was what,

00:36:19.890 --> 00:36:24.510
27? Granger was maybe 31.

00:36:25.020 --> 00:36:29.730
And I look at it now and I think
what a horrible expectation

00:36:30.120 --> 00:36:32.190
for those young people.

00:36:34.470 --> 00:36:38.910
Well, your dad was for sure the kind
of charismatic presence and your mom,

00:36:38.970 --> 00:36:43.290
the practical, caring,
emotional, sit down with you,

00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.690
work it all out. But
in terms of leadership,

00:36:45.690 --> 00:36:50.550
Granger was seen as the leader and
his vision was so strong that once

00:36:50.550 --> 00:36:53.880
you accepted that, that was an
interesting thing to be considering.

00:36:54.390 --> 00:36:58.500
You didn't feel like there was a lot
of room to deviate from the vision.

00:36:59.040 --> 00:37:02.850
There was a tendency to elevate
him to certain kind of status.

00:37:03.240 --> 00:37:06.480
He was like, what's his name
in that Scottish war movie?

00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:10.050
He was always the one who was
first there. He was the organizer.

00:37:10.050 --> 00:37:13.350
William Wallace. Yeah, William Wallace.
He calls himself William Wallace. Well,

00:37:13.350 --> 00:37:17.280
he's a large personality.
He questioned authority,

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.450
but most of the time appeared to be
totally confident about what he was doing.

00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:25.170
The most profound experience
that I had at the farm,

00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:27.390
it was when Granger washed Don's feet.

00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:32.280
It was so profoundly sensual and

00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:33.270
sensory,

00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:38.790
and it was touching somebody
in a way that I'd never

00:37:38.790 --> 00:37:43.110
seen done before, and I didn't
know what to do with it.

00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:46.290
I have no cerebral

00:37:48.780 --> 00:37:50.400
gloss on that at all,

00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:53.550
but I just know that it was a
profoundly moving experience,

00:37:53.580 --> 00:37:58.560
and in some ways it was a metaphor
for the whole farm because it was

00:37:58.570 --> 00:38:02.250
all profoundly moving, right?
It was the good and the bad.

00:38:04.770 --> 00:38:09.750
I think your father had the
clearest vision of where he

00:38:09.750 --> 00:38:13.590
wanted to go with the farm.
He kind of became parental,

00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.120
and then there was resistance or
resentment, just like in a family.

00:38:18.630 --> 00:38:22.890
Well, we did call it family, and it
certainly had an intimacy about it.

00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:25.380
Absolutely. And deep sharing.

00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:28.680
Often it also had all of the things of

00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:32.550
competitiveness and jealousy and.

00:38:32.550 --> 00:38:33.720
Judgment, bandwagons.

00:38:33.720 --> 00:38:34.300
Guilt,

00:38:34.300 --> 00:38:38.890
and feeling like you weren't
living up to expectations

00:38:38.890 --> 00:38:42.610
necessarily. Maybe for
all of us, I don't know.

00:38:42.640 --> 00:38:46.600
But it had all of those
dynamics that a family has.

00:38:47.410 --> 00:38:52.150
So it was challenging and
caused us to, I think,

00:38:52.150 --> 00:38:56.860
explore inwardly and to
grow because of that.

00:38:57.730 --> 00:39:01.870
Difficult at times, because
so unsure of ourselves,

00:39:01.930 --> 00:39:05.260
so personally, so unsure
of myself at times.

00:39:17.380 --> 00:39:19.480
For a newly married
couple, like you and John,

00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.170
did you feel that you had enough personal
time just alone, the two of you? No.

00:39:24.160 --> 00:39:26.740
It was really hard. I
mean, we were never alone.

00:39:27.610 --> 00:39:30.940
There was tons of tension happening,
and I think some things came out.

00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:31.863
Judgments,

00:39:31.930 --> 00:39:36.670
frustrations and impatience started to
enter into the picture because people

00:39:36.670 --> 00:39:37.503
were struggling.

00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.340
The vision became so important
and it started to demand

00:39:42.340 --> 00:39:46.800
sacrifice. I do remember feeling

00:39:48.460 --> 00:39:52.990
a bit on the outside in some ways
because there were people who were

00:39:52.990 --> 00:39:55.300
very connected in that group.

00:39:55.690 --> 00:40:00.130
I was quite shy and I was, well,

00:40:00.130 --> 00:40:04.630
I'm not sure I want to give up
everything for this community.

00:40:05.200 --> 00:40:07.930
It started to feel culty to me.

00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.550
Unless you give up everything and be part
of this, you're not really part of it.

00:40:14.020 --> 00:40:17.470
Your dad ended up being the
leader. Leader would be kind.

00:40:19.270 --> 00:40:22.030
Dictator might be another word. Maybe.

00:40:22.040 --> 00:40:25.900
We were thinking we were going to get
away from the reality of people and

00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:30.790
society and governments and everything
else and how things are ruled or how

00:40:30.820 --> 00:40:34.390
decisions are made and all that.
But isn't there the expression,

00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.150
no matter where you go,
there you are. In hindsight,

00:40:37.150 --> 00:40:39.160
we probably should have had
a talking stick or something.

00:40:41.470 --> 00:40:44.500
I don't want to group 'em into a
cult leader or anything like that.

00:40:44.590 --> 00:40:48.790
But Granger had this dynamic.
We never looked at him that way,

00:40:49.180 --> 00:40:51.400
but he attracted a lot of people.

00:40:53.050 --> 00:40:57.610
I didn't feel I was their leader.
I just felt I was one of them.

00:40:57.610 --> 00:40:59.230
But I know they felt maybe.

00:40:59.710 --> 00:41:01.090
Is teacher a better word?

00:41:01.450 --> 00:41:05.530
Did you No, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no. I never was a teacher.

00:41:05.830 --> 00:41:08.860
Even when I taught high school, I
wasn't a teacher. I was an inspirer.

00:41:09.310 --> 00:41:11.710
I was a believer in the person.

00:41:12.790 --> 00:41:17.140
Just believer I believe in them. That's
all I did. I'm not a good teacher.

00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:18.910
No way. No.

00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:26.860
You and my dad were
definitely mentors, leaders.

00:41:27.940 --> 00:41:32.050
So did you see your role like
that? How did you see yourself?

00:41:34.970 --> 00:41:37.940
I didn't see myself as a leader.

00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:40.730
Your dad was more of a
charismatic kind of leader,

00:41:41.660 --> 00:41:44.720
but the kind of community
we had, you don't just have,

00:41:44.870 --> 00:41:48.380
it won't survive with just a
charismatic form of leadership.

00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:52.850
It has to empower everybody
to have for their gifts to be

00:41:52.850 --> 00:41:56.300
expressed. There was Dawn,

00:41:56.330 --> 00:42:01.010
this is before he married Michelle. There
was Jack, and then eventually Nancy.

00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:05.540
When he married Nancy, there was John
Denim who then married my sister Nancy.

00:42:05.750 --> 00:42:08.540
There was Bill who married Melanie.

00:42:08.690 --> 00:42:10.730
And Debbie and Jim got married.

00:42:11.450 --> 00:42:16.310
Pat, Scott, Bruno and Judy, people
who were part of the early owners.

00:42:16.580 --> 00:42:18.500
I sort of thought we were all leaders.

00:42:20.840 --> 00:42:25.700
I am de-tangling family
history and in it are the

00:42:25.710 --> 00:42:29.960
collective and individual
stories of dozens of people,

00:42:31.010 --> 00:42:35.600
people that I love.
Yet there are questions

00:42:37.160 --> 00:42:39.800
and multiple perspectives.

00:42:40.010 --> 00:42:44.720
Acquired wisdom fading memories shows me

00:42:44.720 --> 00:42:46.910
that there's not one answer.

00:43:04.940 --> 00:43:08.720
Ranger and Diane were intelligent,
asked interesting questions.

00:43:08.720 --> 00:43:12.650
They were interested in
who I was as a person,

00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:17.930
and I think that's kind of key really to

00:43:17.930 --> 00:43:22.880
understanding some of how the
community came together because

00:43:23.090 --> 00:43:25.160
they had this ability
to sort of draw people.

00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.940
I always felt so supported by Granger.

00:43:35.420 --> 00:43:40.370
I learned in this very kind
of spontaneous way to express

00:43:40.370 --> 00:43:42.320
spirituality and song

00:43:44.090 --> 00:43:48.860
in a way that served a community
in a way that allowed the spirit to

00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:53.690
move through me through a group
to me and back out to the group.

00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:59.030
And that's really been profound in my

00:43:59.030 --> 00:44:01.040
whole life and in the work that I've done,

00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:05.030
and particularly for the last 25 years.

00:44:18.560 --> 00:44:22.730
Now, we as an needed time.

00:44:23.120 --> 00:44:27.320
Oh, now needed time,

00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:31.880
now needed,

00:44:38.020 --> 00:44:38.853
oh,

00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:45.240
is a needed time now is

00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.120
a needed time now is a.

00:44:54.540 --> 00:44:54.810
I mean,

00:44:54.810 --> 00:44:59.640
I think I started out feeling excited
and happy about the vision and

00:44:59.650 --> 00:45:03.840
what we were doing. But the reality is
when you're dealing day in and day out,

00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.190
and we didn't have enough money.

00:45:05.670 --> 00:45:10.110
So everything that we did do was
through physical hard labor. I mean,

00:45:10.110 --> 00:45:13.680
if we'd had more money, things maybe
would've been a bit easier in some ways,

00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:14.513
but we didn't.

00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:20.700
It seemed to me a very complicated
way of building a house.

00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.520
It seems simpler just to build a square.

00:45:23.790 --> 00:45:28.170
All other houses are and make a structure
that's easily livable in that sense.

00:45:29.070 --> 00:45:30.630
But everything else,

00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.590
we did things a little differently
and it made things more difficult.

00:45:35.010 --> 00:45:39.810
No one really knew how to fit
square materials into round holes,

00:45:40.290 --> 00:45:43.260
and it was just every step was a burden.

00:45:45.270 --> 00:45:48.120
The small dome was
complete but leaked badly.

00:45:48.330 --> 00:45:53.100
The big dome that we'd always envisioned
to be an education center and a group

00:45:53.110 --> 00:45:54.840
meeting place never was finished.

00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:58.680
We only framed it with the
two by fours rent of money,

00:45:58.770 --> 00:45:59.940
rent of resources.

00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:06.000
The goal of that was to have extra
housing for people that needed family or

00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:09.450
more isolation than from
the big house. For instance.

00:46:09.870 --> 00:46:11.490
Said, Lord, won't you come by here?

00:46:12.540 --> 00:46:15.150
Lord, won't you come.

00:46:15.370 --> 00:46:16.203
By.

00:46:20.130 --> 00:46:23.930
By you?

00:46:49.350 --> 00:46:50.890
So God sent an angel down.

00:46:51.810 --> 00:46:56.790
I do know that I was always wanting
to have more time with just your

00:46:56.790 --> 00:47:00.780
dad and me and you three
kids. That was a huge part,

00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.010
but that was me,

00:47:02.010 --> 00:47:06.630
I guess because I was feeling in
that nesting mode with you kids,

00:47:06.660 --> 00:47:09.660
and I just wanted to
have that cohesiveness.

00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:14.410
I think we took on too much and we grew
too fast, too rapidly in too many areas,

00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.660
and for myself, I got
incredibly exhausted.

00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:22.350
Your dad and I would be expected to
be in meetings around this and that,

00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:25.140
and then I was trying to read and keep up,

00:47:25.150 --> 00:47:27.120
and then I was trying to help you kids.

00:47:27.120 --> 00:47:27.360
The.

00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:28.980
Angel locked the lion's.

00:47:29.020 --> 00:47:33.580
Jaw. We had a shared vision, but we
didn't take care of each other very well.

00:47:33.580 --> 00:47:35.290
And emotionally,

00:47:37.570 --> 00:47:40.780
we were just content on helping

00:47:43.930 --> 00:47:46.090
and probably more my fault than hers.

00:47:47.740 --> 00:47:51.730
It was too much work and a disconnection
that kept happening with your dad and

00:47:51.730 --> 00:47:56.260
me, and unable to work out our marriage.

00:48:01.540 --> 00:48:04.690
If I kept going the way I was. I mean,

00:48:04.870 --> 00:48:09.490
my God had a heart attack or I
mean it stressed out from all that

00:48:09.490 --> 00:48:12.250
responsibility and just doing that

00:48:15.190 --> 00:48:19.660
when dying got sick. Right near the
end when I was burned out and stuff,

00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:22.270
I remember Omar saying, you know, guys,

00:48:22.330 --> 00:48:25.150
you don't have the most imm maturity
to handle this. It's not going to work.

00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.450
We don't have it. But
he was completely right,

00:48:29.230 --> 00:48:30.880
just like somebody threw a bomb in there.

00:48:46.030 --> 00:48:50.240
Well, I had a complete breakdown
that winter because I didn't have,

00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:53.880
I lost a sense of hope.

00:49:09.720 --> 00:49:12.970
I honestly thought when
I left with you children,

00:49:13.240 --> 00:49:17.020
I would be going away to get better
and stronger and would be returning

00:49:18.040 --> 00:49:21.100
several months later. And of
course I didn't and we didn't.

00:49:23.260 --> 00:49:26.290
I have learned over time.

00:49:26.470 --> 00:49:31.180
Something that I didn't know
then is that the seeds of joy are

00:49:31.190 --> 00:49:33.730
also the chrysalis of pain.

00:49:34.690 --> 00:49:38.020
The steps of that dance
are so intertwined.

00:49:49.300 --> 00:49:52.870
I was impacted by what
felt like total collapse.

00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:01.920
And then after we left the farm,

00:50:03.040 --> 00:50:04.840
we learned that it all fell apart.

00:50:11.890 --> 00:50:16.150
The first major trauma that
we had was a hailstorm.

00:50:17.560 --> 00:50:20.260
These huge chunks of hail

00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:23.620
just about everything was lost.

00:50:26.410 --> 00:50:30.530
The hail, all the windows, it
completely destroyed the garden.

00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:34.880
It was just like one of those
things that you'll never forget.

00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:46.970
And then the lightning storm
splitting the tree, split it in half.

00:50:49.070 --> 00:50:52.970
It was our gathering place. It was where
we would sing. We would meet there.

00:50:52.970 --> 00:50:55.220
It was kind of like the heart of the farm.

00:50:58.520 --> 00:51:03.350
And then we had a very bad flood.

00:51:08.540 --> 00:51:11.210
And then finally, of
course, we had the fire.

00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:28.940
The house burned down in spring of 1977.

00:51:29.720 --> 00:51:34.160
There was chimney fire. I was away.

00:51:34.160 --> 00:51:38.570
The day the fire happened. Dick and
Mary went out, went out in the field,

00:51:38.600 --> 00:51:41.630
went out to work, and about 10 30,

00:51:41.630 --> 00:51:45.830
all of a sudden they see that the
house is starting to burn. And

00:51:47.810 --> 00:51:50.570
they ran in and saved my piano.

00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:08.833
And

00:52:10.220 --> 00:52:14.810
it seemed as if we couldn't understand

00:52:15.200 --> 00:52:17.480
why things were happening
the way they were happening.

00:52:24.170 --> 00:52:27.710
I have very little memory of the end,

00:52:28.370 --> 00:52:29.450
and when it was sold,

00:52:35.750 --> 00:52:40.160
it was a time when people were
looking in different directions.

00:53:06.860 --> 00:53:11.210
The fall of the farm left only
questions through the years.

00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.590
Some people stayed connected
and others lost touch.

00:53:16.940 --> 00:53:18.200
And for me,

00:53:18.200 --> 00:53:23.150
the farm was really just a
hodgepodge of fading images

00:53:23.150 --> 00:53:24.200
and photo albums.

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.170
In making this film,

00:53:29.550 --> 00:53:32.040
I was connecting those dots,

00:53:34.650 --> 00:53:36.780
and I wanted to know my father better.

00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:56.970
Dad, I knew that was you.

00:53:58.850 --> 00:54:00.930
I knew you only have one eye.

00:54:26.080 --> 00:54:28.490
Yeah. A good picture for you. Okay.

00:54:30.450 --> 00:54:32.310
This is what you used to tell
everybody when you went home.

00:54:32.670 --> 00:54:35.610
I don't wear clothes as if
I wouldn't wear clothes.

00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:39.233
Great.

00:54:41.070 --> 00:54:44.970
Philippines is Mike's
horse, the killer horse.

00:54:45.930 --> 00:54:49.920
And that's a beautiful picture of
Mike sitting in the stump at the farm.

00:54:52.710 --> 00:54:55.680
And then that one dad, that's farmhouse.

00:54:58.670 --> 00:55:02.760
I remember Omar said to me, he said,
the thing about you is he says,

00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:06.120
everybody has heroes.
Everybody has symbols,

00:55:06.810 --> 00:55:07.830
but they know their symbols.

00:55:08.250 --> 00:55:11.970
The thing about you is you think you're
sha of bear. You think you're Jesus.

00:55:11.980 --> 00:55:14.550
You think that you have to
do the same as those guys.

00:55:14.580 --> 00:55:17.730
You don't have a distance between
them. And I listened to 'em. I thought,

00:55:17.730 --> 00:55:19.200
holy shit, what's he talking about?

00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:24.030
But I guess I was a bit crazy, right?

00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:26.820
A bit of a fanatic.

00:55:28.290 --> 00:55:30.630
Oh, Liz, sorry I didn't
prepare for you better.

00:55:30.630 --> 00:55:34.950
I just didn't think every time you
told me how you had so many things.

00:55:34.950 --> 00:55:36.300
I just said, oh, you got everything.

00:55:37.980 --> 00:55:41.580
I had this portrait taken in Scotland.
It was a really nice portrait.

00:55:41.910 --> 00:55:46.020
I've never had a portrait taken
before. How do you like it?

00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:49.670
Isn't that a great picture? That's a
great picture. You isn't that f? Yeah.

00:55:49.890 --> 00:55:52.710
Yeah. It's a great picture of me.
I don't have those horns anymore.

00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.410
No, I don't have any more of those.

00:56:00.720 --> 00:56:05.310
I have an email from you saying
I've got tons. Yeah, yeah.

00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.070
Somewhere. I do. I don't
know where they are.

00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:47.350
I found a paper that I wrote
as part of my master's degree

00:56:47.350 --> 00:56:51.550
on alternative communities,
and I interviewed Dylan now,

00:56:51.730 --> 00:56:56.350
and Dawn and Michelle and Jim and Deb,
who were all young parents on that.

00:56:57.340 --> 00:57:01.300
So it was really kind of fun. And then
it ended up being a version of it.

00:57:01.750 --> 00:57:03.010
Their names weren't used,

00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:08.470
but the version of it was used on communal

00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:12.490
living was published in the
Journal by my professor,

00:57:13.390 --> 00:57:15.400
19 77, 78.

00:57:16.060 --> 00:57:19.150
I was finishing my master's
degree in counseling psychology.

00:57:23.050 --> 00:57:25.600
This was up at the cottage that summer.

00:57:25.930 --> 00:57:30.910
And your dad and I and you kids had the
chance to have some time together just

00:57:30.910 --> 00:57:34.780
as a family. And that
was the summer of 1973.

00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:40.870
That was the only time that we
had just our family. Just about.

00:57:41.560 --> 00:57:45.490
It was kind of fun though. Paul
would've been two and a half.

00:57:45.550 --> 00:57:50.230
He'd have been just four. Mike
would've been turning six.

00:58:01.180 --> 00:58:04.000
Can of beer while you're driving
with no cops on the island.

00:58:08.170 --> 00:58:10.640
You didn't have that on? Did?
Yeah. Oh, you did? Oh, geez.

00:58:17.070 --> 00:58:21.940
This is beer with Do you want a picture of

00:58:21.940 --> 00:58:25.040
it? No. Sure. It's got
a marijuana leaf on it.

00:58:27.850 --> 00:58:28.800
You better edit this.

00:58:33.870 --> 00:58:34.703
Okay,

00:58:38.500 --> 00:58:43.030
so are you going to follow me?
Yeah. Okay. Is that okay? Yeah.

00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.200
You can do whatever you want.
I trust you're editing. Thanks.

00:58:49.150 --> 00:58:53.470
That's pretty neat. Hey, the trust we
have now. Yeah. Don't you think? Totally.

00:58:57.220 --> 00:58:58.480
Take a picture of this truck, man.

00:59:08.780 --> 00:59:10.080
Wow. That's pretty good. A, this

00:59:18.220 --> 00:59:20.440
is it. Kind of misty, eh?

00:59:20.550 --> 00:59:21.383
Yeah. Yeah.

00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:40.310
The breakup was so painful for so
many people, breakup, admitting,

00:59:40.370 --> 00:59:43.970
and it scares me a bit
to come back to all that,

00:59:47.030 --> 00:59:50.900
but because Diane and I are friends,

00:59:51.770 --> 00:59:55.970
and she and I actually were together on
talking to you about certain things in

00:59:55.980 --> 00:59:58.820
this thing, and I felt
really heartened by that,

00:59:59.510 --> 01:00:03.650
that she and I were partners
in this and our consent.

01:00:06.980 --> 01:00:11.480
And so my negotiation with
you is around, can we meet?

01:00:12.890 --> 01:00:17.720
Can you lead me into this please?
And that's what I think you've done.

01:00:26.690 --> 01:00:31.310
Feels complete for me.
I like a new beginning.

01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:34.593
I.

01:00:40.370 --> 01:00:42.230
Am eternally grateful for this. Thank you.

01:00:43.520 --> 01:00:44.570
They're bloody heavy.

01:00:50.180 --> 01:00:52.620
Perfect. Beautiful.

01:00:55.070 --> 01:01:00.020
I just can't believe how optimistic
we were that we can actually change

01:01:00.020 --> 01:01:02.570
the world. Oh my God.

01:01:03.230 --> 01:01:06.590
Actually doing it today. Can you do this?

01:01:39.020 --> 01:01:43.490
When you first talked about making
the film, I thought to myself, wow.

01:01:46.910 --> 01:01:51.560
And I decided that it
would be an opportunity

01:01:51.560 --> 01:01:56.510
for deepening an understanding
of reconciliation with

01:01:56.520 --> 01:02:00.950
oneself. One's history
between your dad and I

01:02:01.640 --> 01:02:05.660
and with people I haven't
seen for a long time.

01:02:18.950 --> 01:02:21.160
The day for it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:02:33.810 --> 01:02:37.710
Ken needs to help with the fertilizer
for the market garden, the horse,

01:02:37.720 --> 01:02:42.240
and I don't think, and we had, I
plowed this all by hand. Wow. Yeah.

01:02:42.240 --> 01:02:47.010
With the horse in my bare
feet. I love that horse.

01:02:47.970 --> 01:02:49.230
But really, Liz,

01:02:49.230 --> 01:02:53.670
I was 19 and for sure it
had an impact on my life.

01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:54.593
In what way?

01:02:54.870 --> 01:02:58.800
Knowing that was the path I wanted to
be about finding a different way to live

01:02:59.010 --> 01:03:03.540
and not giving up on that I see

01:03:03.540 --> 01:03:07.380
change differently than I did. Then
it was more about changing the world.

01:03:07.380 --> 01:03:09.300
Now it's more about changing myself.

01:03:19.350 --> 01:03:23.520
This is great. How are
they doing? How are you?

01:03:24.570 --> 01:03:29.400
Wow. Terry, can I hug
you? Yeah. I love you.

01:03:29.720 --> 01:03:33.300
I love you. Oh, thank you.
Thanks for being here. Yeah.

01:03:34.200 --> 01:03:37.800
Wow. It looks fabulous

01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:43.720
and different. Melanie,

01:03:46.100 --> 01:03:51.060
you guys. Oh, see you. Oh God.

01:03:51.540 --> 01:03:54.880
See you having some trouble.
Oh, I'm fine. I'm just fine.

01:03:58.540 --> 01:04:03.000
Oh my God. Hi. Happy to see you.

01:04:04.410 --> 01:04:07.830
I last now. I was hoping you'd come in.

01:04:07.830 --> 01:04:10.640
So good to see you
finally made. Yeah. Yay.

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:27.793
I

01:04:32.140 --> 01:04:34.400
How are you? Give me a How are you?

01:04:55.020 --> 01:04:56.520
Oh my. Oh my right.

01:05:04.020 --> 01:05:07.260
I think I've missed, I think
I've put all this siding on.

01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:16.590
When Jack and Nancy left, we lived
in the whole dome, didn't we? Yep.

01:05:16.990 --> 01:05:19.030
And Carrie's bedroom
was out here somewhere.

01:05:19.030 --> 01:05:22.690
Do you remember when the wind was hauled
over the dome and pulled the door?

01:05:22.780 --> 01:05:24.970
Oh yeah. And then they
tied it shut to the couch.

01:05:26.770 --> 01:05:31.090
I think it moved the couch. What a mess.

01:05:32.560 --> 01:05:36.640
Yeah. When we in the whole
dome, your bedroom was there.

01:05:38.350 --> 01:05:40.840
That was room. Initially in room.

01:05:51.100 --> 01:05:54.520
These things all came with a
bolt out of the end of them,

01:05:55.420 --> 01:06:00.070
and then we just had to put the
boots on form the triangles. Yeah.

01:06:00.460 --> 01:06:04.360
Seems smaller than I remember. I
remember. This has being a big room.

01:06:04.630 --> 01:06:08.770
Oh, I remember there were little buckets
everywhere because there were leaks,

01:06:08.780 --> 01:06:09.613
right?

01:06:10.150 --> 01:06:11.140
Every time it rained.

01:06:11.830 --> 01:06:12.220
My big.

01:06:12.220 --> 01:06:16.780
Memory of this place was how often we
had to cu the windows because this thing

01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.580
never stopped leaking.

01:06:18.850 --> 01:06:19.900
The devastation is.

01:06:20.170 --> 01:06:21.003
Incredible.

01:06:22.670 --> 01:06:27.440
This is the door that when
the wind, yeah, it would open.

01:06:27.900 --> 01:06:31.280
It was right to shut a couch. Yep.

01:06:32.140 --> 01:06:32.973
Mill.

01:06:34.990 --> 01:06:37.870
Nobody's maintained this at all. This was.

01:06:37.870 --> 01:06:38.560
Open.

01:06:38.560 --> 01:06:39.670
What do you think, Michelle? Story?

01:06:39.730 --> 01:06:42.820
Oh, it's sad. Sad. Yeah. It is sad.

01:06:42.830 --> 01:06:45.430
We put a lot of work
into making that a home.

01:06:46.630 --> 01:06:49.870
But it's okay. It's not very pretty

01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.150
anymore. I thought we built it to last.

01:06:56.380 --> 01:06:57.920
That was a long time ago.

01:07:09.700 --> 01:07:14.110
The only people I think that didn't
make it is Joanie, Jack and my dad.

01:07:14.290 --> 01:07:15.220
Everyone else is here.

01:07:16.600 --> 01:07:21.280
He wrote back and said, no, but
he was glad I was representing us.

01:07:27.250 --> 01:07:28.083
Whatever.

01:07:43.290 --> 01:07:47.200
I really believe faith is a really
important thing for human beings.

01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.620
Really important. I have
faith in a lot of things,

01:07:50.890 --> 01:07:55.390
but I don't believe that
there's this kind of person,

01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:57.940
this intelligence that
created the world. I don't,

01:07:58.270 --> 01:08:03.190
my sense of life is that life does
not have meaning other than what

01:08:03.190 --> 01:08:04.023
we give it.

01:08:05.520 --> 01:08:06.353
That.

01:08:07.720 --> 01:08:10.090
There've been times where I've
really questioned what I'm doing,

01:08:11.110 --> 01:08:14.860
asking people to crack
open this part of our.

01:08:14.870 --> 01:08:19.280
Shared histories. And it feels
like a cracking open. It does.

01:08:19.280 --> 01:08:23.900
That's a really good description. It
feels like this was something that, yes,

01:08:23.900 --> 01:08:27.680
it was part of my past, but
I had just put it to bed.

01:08:29.930 --> 01:08:33.120
Where do you live? I live in Victoria.
Oh yes, you said that. Yeah. Early.

01:08:33.830 --> 01:08:38.510
I think another reason why I decided
to participate was because I really

01:08:38.540 --> 01:08:42.260
had the strong sense that this
was a journey you needed to do.

01:08:43.160 --> 01:08:48.140
And I just think that as young as we were
really formative people in your life,

01:08:48.530 --> 01:08:53.330
and I think I felt responsible to do this

01:08:53.330 --> 01:08:54.163
journey with you.

01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:56.120
I saw Jerry Rubin over in the woods,

01:09:06.230 --> 01:09:07.063
my second mother.

01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:14.210
I feel like this is the Olympic.

01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:21.500
We all had struggles and I've had my,

01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:26.030
what I call my dark periods. I
was able to claw myself back up.

01:09:27.020 --> 01:09:29.360
Many in farm carry me all through my life.

01:09:30.710 --> 01:09:34.580
They gave me some good stuff for my
basis of the rest of my life that helped

01:09:34.580 --> 01:09:35.413
carry me through.

01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:44.393
I

01:10:01.100 --> 01:10:02.000
and I saw,

01:10:50.060 --> 01:10:52.970
always thought this song needed some
new verses. So I wrote this verse.

01:10:53.540 --> 01:10:57.880
I'm singing in the circle.

01:11:01.700 --> 01:11:02.760
I'm singing

01:11:35.190 --> 01:11:37.000
Abide by.

01:12:10.470 --> 01:12:12.840
Actually four weeks from today.

01:12:13.950 --> 01:12:18.930
It will be 45 years ago that
Nancy and I were married

01:12:18.930 --> 01:12:20.970
under that tree that's
not there anymore. Yeah.

01:12:22.210 --> 01:12:23.170
I remember that tree.

01:12:26.570 --> 01:12:27.870
A lot of you were there.

01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:33.270
So happy anniversary. I.

01:12:33.690 --> 01:12:34.523
Love you.

01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:43.410
Thank you all for being
here to celebrate. It's.

01:12:43.410 --> 01:12:48.330
Been a little emotional for me this
whole year in preparing to come and

01:12:48.330 --> 01:12:51.540
going through, as Liz
puts in our archives,

01:12:51.780 --> 01:12:54.510
our family photo albums,
of which I have many.

01:12:55.620 --> 01:13:00.540
Some of you may know that the
children and I left here in kind of

01:13:00.550 --> 01:13:03.120
tragic circumstances from my perspective,

01:13:04.170 --> 01:13:08.040
so I never got to really say goodbye
to this community as a community.

01:13:10.710 --> 01:13:15.690
Thank you all for helping my
heart to understand what is

01:13:15.690 --> 01:13:16.523
essential,

01:13:17.790 --> 01:13:22.740
and thank you for the time that we
did spend looking outward together in

01:13:22.740 --> 01:13:23.573
the same direction.

01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:06.290
Well, I think it's fine

01:14:08.650 --> 01:14:10.250
building jumbo plays.

01:14:12.640 --> 01:14:13.900
Are taking a ride

01:14:16.150 --> 01:14:18.070
on a cosmic train

01:14:20.230 --> 01:14:25.000
switch on summer from a slot machine

01:14:27.730 --> 01:14:32.620
is get what you want if you want,
because you can get anything.

01:14:36.130 --> 01:14:38.410
I know we've come a long way.

01:14:39.770 --> 01:14:44.260
We'll change a day to day, but tell me,

01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:46.570
where do the children play?

01:15:01.090 --> 01:15:02.390
You roll on roads

01:15:04.930 --> 01:15:09.520
over fresh green grass for your lorry

01:15:10.450 --> 01:15:14.200
loads pumping petrol gas,

01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:18.220
and you make them long

01:15:19.930 --> 01:15:21.880
and you make them tough,

01:15:23.680 --> 01:15:28.420
but they just go on and on
and it seems that you can't

01:15:28.420 --> 01:15:29.253
get on.

01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.200
I know we've come a long way,

01:15:36.100 --> 01:15:40.630
but change of day to day. But tell me,

01:15:40.810 --> 01:15:42.390
where do the children play?

01:16:19.390 --> 01:16:23.650
The sky scrapers fill the air,

01:16:25.630 --> 01:16:30.220
but will you keep on building
higher and higher till there's no

01:16:30.220 --> 01:16:34.840
more room up there? Or
will you make us laugh?

01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:38.210
Will you make us cry?

01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:45.610
Will you to live? Will
you tell us when to die?

01:16:49.690 --> 01:16:50.390
We've come a.

01:16:50.390 --> 01:16:51.250
Long way.

01:16:53.270 --> 01:16:54.103
Day.

01:16:56.080 --> 01:16:59.020
Tell the children play.